[birding] Help to ID bird

[Eleen Baumann]

I have quite a few types of sparrows in my backyard. Today I saw 2 birds that looked like large sparrows.  They had a black mask across the eyes (a la a raccoon) and black running from chin down the chest.  They had a little colored breast and even lighter stripes going from chest across each shoulder.    I think they had a little russet or cooper coloring in their wings and maybe white bar stripes.   I hope this doesn't sound like some imaginary bird. I haven't seen one of these before.

Also I had another bird - size of a small sparrow - with  a pale russet (light copper) colored patch on head and on breast.  Don't remember other details rights now.  Thanks Eleen

I'm a real newbie at identifying birds.  I looked in the Willamette Valley guide and in peterson field guide to western birds but couldn't find anything

Eleen A. Baumann
4624 S.W. 47th Pl.
Corvallis, OR 97333
baumanne at msn.com<mailto:baumanne at msn.com>
(541) 760-1433
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